Comments on: Beyond the Red Wall - Update http://www.dianaswednesday.com/2007/11/beyond-the-red-wall/ Where the world comes together Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:20:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: Charles Liu http://www.dianaswednesday.com/2007/11/beyond-the-red-wall/#comment-1037 Charles Liu Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:45:31 +0000 http://www.dianaswednesday.com/2007/11/beyond-the-red-wall/#comment-1037 Louis, please look into all the facts. Prior to US Embassy's official visit, US diplomats already made a secret visit: http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/RL33437.pdf (section CRS-7) "American officials from the U.S. Embassy in Beijing and the U.S. consulate in Shenyang visited the area as well as the hospital site on two occasions — the first time unannounced and the second with the cooperation of PRC officials" Louis, please look into all the facts. Prior to US Embassy’s official visit, US diplomats already made a secret visit:

http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/RL33437.pdf (section CRS-7)

“American officials from the U.S. Embassy in Beijing and the U.S. consulate in Shenyang visited the area as well as the hospital site on two occasions — the first time unannounced and the second with the cooperation of PRC officials”

]]> By: Louis http://www.dianaswednesday.com/2007/11/beyond-the-red-wall/#comment-987 Louis Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:30:27 +0000 http://www.dianaswednesday.com/2007/11/beyond-the-red-wall/#comment-987 Charles, I would suggest you read the Kilgour Matas report <a href="http://organharvestinvestigation.net/" rel="nofollow">in full</a>. US diplomats were taken on a guided tour by party officials, of course they did not uncover anything. The fact that Chinese hospital websites offered organs at short notice, (instead of having to wait till a suitable donor dies) is damning evidence, as is the undercover investigations over the phone and in person by Kilgour and Matas as well as the bbc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wtSV_BEf14 Charles, I would suggest you read the Kilgour Matas report in full.
US diplomats were taken on a guided tour by party officials, of course they did not uncover anything.
The fact that Chinese hospital websites offered organs at short notice, (instead of having to wait till a suitable donor dies) is damning evidence, as is the undercover investigations over the phone and in person by Kilgour and Matas as well as the bbc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wtSV_BEf14

]]> By: Charles Liu http://www.dianaswednesday.com/2007/11/beyond-the-red-wall/#comment-896 Charles Liu Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:54:12 +0000 http://www.dianaswednesday.com/2007/11/beyond-the-red-wall/#comment-896 Diana, CBC was right to pull the film and review it. The Falun Gong organ allegation Kilgour is promoting has been discredited, most recently by Ottawa Citizen: http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/observer/story.html?id=2c15d2f0-f0ab-4da9-991a-23e4094de949&p=3 Here are US government and Chinese dissident investigations disproving it: 1) http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006&m=April&x=20060416141157uhyggep0.5443231&t=livefeeds/wf-latest.html http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/RL33437.pdf (section CRS-7) 2) http://www.cicus.org/info_eng/artshow.asp?ID=6491 http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060806_1.htm Diana, CBC was right to pull the film and review it.

The Falun Gong organ allegation Kilgour is promoting has been discredited, most recently by Ottawa Citizen:

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/observer/story.html?id=2c15d2f0-f0ab-4da9-991a-23e4094de949&p=3

Here are US government and Chinese dissident investigations disproving it:

1) http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006&m=April&x=20060416141157uhyggep0.5443231&t=livefeeds/wf-latest.html

http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/RL33437.pdf (section CRS-7)

2) http://www.cicus.org/info_eng/artshow.asp?ID=6491

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060806_1.htm

]]> By: Yod http://www.dianaswednesday.com/2007/11/beyond-the-red-wall/#comment-843 Yod Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:03:58 +0000 http://www.dianaswednesday.com/2007/11/beyond-the-red-wall/#comment-843 I've spent literaly hours trying to find this film! I ran across a few websites that promise to show the original movie - WHERE IS IT?! I’ve spent literaly hours trying to find this film! I ran across a few websites that promise to show the original movie - WHERE IS IT?!

]]> By: Diana Thébaud Nicholson http://www.dianaswednesday.com/2007/11/beyond-the-red-wall/#comment-827 Diana Thébaud Nicholson Sat, 24 Nov 2007 03:15:26 +0000 http://www.dianaswednesday.com/2007/11/beyond-the-red-wall/#comment-827 <strong>Covering up slaughter, with a little help from the CBC</strong> <strong>David Matas</strong> National Post November 23, 2007 Turkey denies the Armenian genocide. Sudan pretends the ongoing genocide in Darfur is not happening. The Soviet Union maintained that there was no forced famine in Ukraine. Neo-Nazis claim the Holocaust never happened. The pattern is predictable. Genocide Watch has identified eight stages of genocide. The last is denial. The massive crimes that China has inflicted on the Falun Gong spiritual group follow this pattern. <strong>David Kilgour</strong> and I have written a report titled <em>Bloody Harvest</em> in which we showed that China has been killing the Falun Gong by the tens of thousands since 2000 for their organs. The organs are sold for huge sums, mostly to foreign tourists, for transplants. Beijing denies it all. Bloody Harvest has been supported by two independent researchers -- Kirk Allison at the University of Minnesota and U.K. transplant surgeon Tom Treasure. All the evidence on which we relied is independently verifiable and available on our <a href="organharvestinvestigation.net" rel="nofollow">Web site</a>, . Since the first version of our report came out in July, 2006, David Kilgour and I have been to over 40 countries publicizing its results. No one anywhere has refuted our report. The Chinese government and its fellow travellers have responded with disinformation, denials and clumsy attempts at censorship. Beijing systematically tries to get our events cancelled. If that fails, it seeks to introduce its own propaganda into every forum to which we are invited. When the CBC announced that it was broadcasting a TV documentary about China's persecution of the Falun Gong that featured our report, it was predictable that the Chinese censorship machine would get into gear. What was not predictable was that the CBC would pay attention to it. Beijing leaned on the CBC and the network pulled the originally scheduled Nov. 6 broadcast. ...The CBC went back to the documentary's producer, Peter Rowe, and asked for changes. The changes he made weren't enough. So the CBC made more changes on its own. The CBC version of the documentary was broadcast on Nov. 20. Since the original version is now available on YouTube, it is possible to compare the two. The CBC's deletions were telling. One expunged segment was the playing of tapes of telephone admissions from hospitals in China acknowledging that they were selling Falun Gong organs. (Chinese government denials remained in the CBC version.) The additions were typical Chinese propaganda. The CBC on its own, for instance, added this screen to the documentary: "Amnesty International does not have conclusive evidence to back up the allegation the Falun Gong are killed for their organs." (It should be obvious that Amnesty's silence is not evidence of anything. The organization does not claim to be an encyclopedia of all human rights violations.) The CBC claimed that the changes it made strengthened the documentary. But that is not what happened. Instead, the CBC has weakened itself. Covering up slaughter, with a little help from the CBC
David Matas
National Post
November 23, 2007
Turkey denies the Armenian genocide. Sudan pretends the ongoing genocide in Darfur is not happening. The Soviet Union maintained that there was no forced famine in Ukraine. Neo-Nazis claim the Holocaust never happened. The pattern is predictable. Genocide Watch has identified eight stages of genocide. The last is denial.
The massive crimes that China has inflicted on the Falun Gong spiritual group follow this pattern. David Kilgour and I have written a report titled Bloody Harvest in which we showed that China has been killing the Falun Gong by the tens of thousands since 2000 for their organs. The organs are sold for huge sums, mostly to foreign tourists, for transplants. Beijing denies it all.
Bloody Harvest has been supported by two independent researchers — Kirk Allison at the University of Minnesota and U.K. transplant surgeon Tom Treasure. All the evidence on which we relied is independently verifiable and available on our Web site, .
Since the first version of our report came out in July, 2006, David Kilgour and I have been to over 40 countries publicizing its results. No one anywhere has refuted our report.
The Chinese government and its fellow travellers have responded with disinformation, denials and clumsy attempts at censorship. Beijing systematically tries to get our events cancelled. If that fails, it seeks to introduce its own propaganda into every forum to which we are invited.
When the CBC announced that it was broadcasting a TV documentary about China’s persecution of the Falun Gong that featured our report, it was predictable that the Chinese censorship machine would get into gear. What was not predictable was that the CBC would pay attention to it.
Beijing leaned on the CBC and the network pulled the originally scheduled Nov. 6 broadcast. …The CBC went back to the documentary’s producer, Peter Rowe, and asked for changes. The changes he made weren’t enough. So the CBC made more changes on its own.
The CBC version of the documentary was broadcast on Nov. 20. Since the original version is now available on YouTube, it is possible to compare the two.
The CBC’s deletions were telling. One expunged segment was the playing of tapes of telephone admissions from hospitals in China acknowledging that they were selling Falun Gong organs. (Chinese government denials remained in the CBC version.)
The additions were typical Chinese propaganda. The CBC on its own, for instance, added this screen to the documentary: “Amnesty International does not have conclusive evidence to back up the allegation the Falun Gong are killed for their organs.” (It should be obvious that Amnesty’s silence is not evidence of anything. The organization does not claim to be an encyclopedia of all human rights violations.)
The CBC claimed that the changes it made strengthened the documentary. But that is not what happened. Instead, the CBC has weakened itself.

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